This deck is definitely not for beginners, it assumes experience/knowledge on Kipper:
Kipper cards from 1920 are depicted such that Hauptperson 1, Gute Herr (5), and Reicher GuterHerr (13) all face to the left, and their partners Hauptperson 2, Gute Dame (6), and Reiches Maedchen(12) all face to the right.
Falsche Peron (8) & Truebe Gedanken (33) faces right, Eine Reise (10) & Ein Langer Weg (35) diagonal top left, Seine Gedanken (16) & Diebstahl (24) & Erwartung (28) faces left, Todesfall (19) diagonal bottom right,
Kipper cards from 1890 are depicted the other way around, Roopa follows the same directionality based on The Card Geek’s Guide to Kipper Cards
There is some discussion going on about the source of this so-called ‘traditional Bavarian way of Kipper reading’ , passed on by an unmentioned elderly Bavarian lady, up till now not confirmed yet by independent documentation and research.
I consider this a purely academic discussion in the same way as the discussion concerning the ‘traditional way of cartomancy’ (passed on by hereditary witches or whatever).
Anyway, I really love this deck, especially because it was a personal gift from the artist!
I saw on YouTube some confusion about directions…
Roopa provided two sets of Main Characters with opposite directions, to enable reading for same-sex relations, I like this addition really.
There are some nice easter eggs hidden in the artwork, I still have to discover the clue in Militaerperson (22)…
I am just wondering about the extra cards, I would like to see description in the accompanying booklet about the extra cards: failure, romance, nostalgia, fortuneteller, circus, inspiration, cosmic connection, mastermind, social media, leisure, playmate, workmate!
Considering I have trouble with memorizing large lists, I am really fond of poetic memory-aides!
Here comes something I found on the web, inspired by new world witchery
The firstmost rule is easily had:
Red cards are good and black cards are bad.
The secondmost rule shall bring greater fruits:
It deals with the meanings of each of the suits.
The Hearts count as love, family, and friends.
Diamonds are money, wealth, means, and ends.
Clubs shall mean work, callings, and plans,
And Spades are the troubles that plague every man.
The thirdmost rule toward number inclines;
Just note the card’s pip and read here their signs:
An Ace brings beginnings,
And Two gives exchange,
Three shows things growing,
But Four does not change.
Five is the body, Its health and its stead,
Six shows a path
That the Seeker shall tread.
Seven brings troubles That Fate has assigned,
While Eight shows ideas And thoughts in the mind.
Nine heralds changes,
And Ten is the end,
While Kings are the symbols Of power and men.
Queens are the emblems Of women and truth,
A Knave is a message, A girl, or a youth.
source: Wise & Subtle Arts of Cartomancy
The Runes started talking to me after I read Ralph Blum’s Book of Runes, along with the Runic Poems.
Blum made his own intuitive approach on the Runes, so I use this way of looking alongside the available scientific documentation.
My working with the Runes became challenging when I met Folkish Asatru who insisted on Aryan bloodlines (not available in my ancestry).
Then it felt like cultural appropriation to keep working with the Runes. Suprisingly I still feel some affinity with Grimnir. Go figure !
Must read…Camoin basic rules for reading TDM…
The method works for me, but…his claim ‘heir to a tradition which goes back for many centuries’ is contested in the Tarot community.
1st rule :
It is always the person asking the question who shuffles the cards and selects the cards. The cards are placed face down, and it is the Tarot reader who turns them face up at the appropriate time.
2nd rule :
When a card is in reverse position (of course from the perspective of the querent) it means that the energies of that card are blocked. If there is not already a card directly above (or below when following a variant method – see Upward and Downward Spreads) the reversed card, another card is drawn and placed there. The new card is always placed upright. It indicates the solution, the direction to take, what needs to be done to remove the blockage of the reversed card below it. It is the card that “cures” the reversed card.
3rd rule :
When a figure in the card gazes, or “regards”, in a direction where no card has been placed, another card is drawn and placed next to the first in the direction of its Regard. This card can be either upright or reversed. For instance, if the Pope is upright in the future position and it is looking at an empty space without a card, another card must be drawn to see what the Pope is regarding. This new card can be either upright or reversed.
4th rule :
When a similar symbol appears two or more times in the spread, it is important to pay attention to that symbol. For instance, in The Empress, The Emperor and The World, an eagle appears three times.
5th rule :
When the problem related to the blockage in a reversed card is resolved through the Tarot reading, and/or in dialogue with the querent, the reversed card can be placed upright. The situation thus transforms and the new reading appears which corresponds to what is occurring now that the problem has been remedied.
6th rule :
When all the cards have been placed and there are no more cards to draw, the spread is in principle finished. However, it is possible to continue to read the cards in the spread in relationship to information that surfaces during the discussion. For example, a certain card might represent a member of the querent’s family, a work colleague, or another person related to the question. Another reading can be made based on the card representing the particular person The new reading will give an idea about the life and surroundings of that person. 7th rule : Variations are of course possible using the Minor Arcana or with other structures than the standard spread beginning with three cards; for example, the Cross spread, spreads with more cards in a row horizontally, or any other spread. 8th rule : When using the Minor Arcana, the rules expressed above equally apply, in particular those on the direction of the Regard for the figures in the court cards: Page, Queen, King, Knight.
I’d like to know how Job hunting will go.
center-focus card for job hunting: travel
above-thought: hoping for a good arrival
left-behind-uncounscious influences: judgement
right-front-conscious act: letter
you are already taking a lot of action for job-hunting, every time hoping for a good result, but being disappointed because somebody else was chosen.
unconsciously your inner judge is putting a lot of stress on your process.
it seems the oracle is trying to tell you: hold your horses, take a break, relax…
Only then there will be space for good news
will Trump stay in power after election?
Present: Some money
my (biased) intrepretation: He spent his fortune, almost no money left, in the end a man and a woman will be blessed (i take this as being Biden and Kamala)
So many decks to choose from…
Hard-core traditionalists would prefer old Tarot te Marseille, but I find most old artwork too ugly for my modern senses.
Other Traditional decks: Choose a Deck | Tarot Heritage
On the other hand…modern versions of TDM sometimes diverge too much from the original tradition, almost becoming a Rider-Waite-Smith clone.
Other modern TDM: Marseille inspired Tarot decks
Rider-Waite-Smith…need I say more?
Diverging from de original TDM, heavily loaded with Golden Dawn dogma!
What is less good? RWS clones!
What is worse? Zombie RWS!
Ancient Chinese put their questions in pictograms on tortoise or ox bones, then the diviner would put holes in the bone.
After that, the diviner would apply so much pressure to the bone that it would crack.
The diviner would interpret the cracks and inscribe the result on the bone.
The underliying principle of this oracle is:
Every pictogram might have several meanings depending on context (place in the structured ‘text’), in other words a pictogram had not just one single meaning but several diverging possibilities.
Look at the overall relations between pictograms and ‘connect the dots’ (the pattern of the lines that are formed after the cracks).
This bare bones approach is also applicable in other forms of divination:
– Tasseography :tea-leaf, coffee grounds
The idea is just to look at the pictures, the relations between pictures.
Of course, there are many cultural variations on interpretations of the pictures: a wolf might mean something very different, depending on European or Native American outlook!
See also Debra Books article on Oracle Bones
Casting of seven cards in a row, reading from left to right:
1. Please tell something about yourself
Denier 6: value for money
2. What is your most important character trait?
Epee 7: Resourcefulness
3. Your strengths as a deck of cards
XVI LaMaisonDieu: Upending stagnation
4. Your weaknesses as a deck of cards
XIIII Temperance: Slow moving
5. What is the best way to work with you?
XI LaForce: Discipline
6. The result of our partnership
Batons 7: Confidence
7. What else do you want to mention?
XVIII LaLune: Heed the visions
Gestalt reading: Denier 6-Epee 7-XVI LaMaisonDieu-XIIII Temperance-XI LaForce-Batons 7-XVIII LaLune.
Four major arcana:
XVI LaMaisonDieu-XIIII Temperance-XI LaForce–XVIII LaLune, the swift harshness of XVI LaMaisonDieu is tempered by the slow moving XIIII Temperance, while the power of the discplinarian XI LaForce is mellowed by the dreamy visionary XVIII LaLune,
Three minor arcana: two sevens (Epee & Baton) & Denier 6, the chancy sevens are grounded in the material world.
The emotional Coupe is missing, but on the other hand there is the dreamy XVIII LaLune.
It seems that here the Major Arcana shows the balancing act of opposite forces, while the Minor Arcana shows the grounding of complementary forces.
Conclusion: I have the feeling that Tarot de Marseille is really willing to work with me.
update…second opinions on the web:
1. The decks is best read using spreads;2. Best answers positive, pro-active questions ( 7 connected to Chariot, Swords – Thoughts) ;3. Sees through illusion and deception;4. Agree with your interpretation;5.Patience;6. Agree with your interp.; also i think it will become one of your working decks.P.s. of course i agree with all your interpretations, but i added where i have other thoughts too.Enjoy your deck!
1. Please tell something about yourselfit’s a new structure2. What is your most important character trait?Breakthrough prior boundaries3. Your strengths as a deck of cardsinspiration4. Your weaknesses as a deck of cardsBalance takes time5. What is the best way to work with you?Discipline6. The result of our partnershipProvide a whole new perspective7. What else do you want to mention?Keep it simple. Some will tell you things not true.